Where beliefs come from, how they quietly shape our lives, and why recognizing one doesn't mean it just floats away — from a childhood wall over the heart to a forty-year belief planted by one offhand comment during Dirty Dancing.
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This week, Anne and Mel are talking beliefs — where they come from, how they quietly shape our lives, and why recognizing one doesn't mean it just floats away.
Anne opens up about growing up as a sensitive, latchkey kid whose emotions weren't really acknowledged at home, and how that built a wall around her heart that she's only recently started to take down — with a lot of tears along the way. Mel shares a belief she didn't even know she was carrying: a single offhand comment her grandmother made while watching Dirty Dancing decades ago, which quietly convinced her that being "too much" or "too fun" meant she couldn't be taken seriously.
They talk about the difference between beliefs that get planted intentionally and the ones that sneak in sideways — from a parent's passing remark, a childhood role in the family, or years in a strict religious upbringing. Mel opens up about a hard phone call with a fellow energy reader that triggered her old "don't get too big for your britches" belief, and Anne shares a very relatable DMV story about assumption, shame, and the stories we make up about other people's judgment.
By the end, they land on something both freeing and humbling: awareness is only step one. Untangling a belief — really loosening its grip — takes time, noticing, conversation (sometimes out loud, to yourself, cursing included), and a whole lot of grace.
A wall over my heart.
Anne, on the guard she built as a kid and is only now learning to lowerI've cried more in this fucking last year or two years than I think I've cried in a long time. Just releasing it, acknowledging it.
Anne, on learning to show vulnerabilityEven when we can see the beliefs that we have, it doesn't mean that they don't serve us — moving forward doesn't mean it's easy.
MelIf what I'm feeling needs to be said, make sure that door is so open I would have to consciously walk around it.
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Anne: Hello. It's Coffee, Tea and Consciousness.
Mel: Hi. I'm Mel.
Anne: Good morning, I'm Anne. And I got my coffee.
Mel: And today we're gonna talk about — Annie's got her coffee. I do not have my tea, because I had a tooth pulled last week and I'm really struggling still, so hot things are hard on my mouth. I have to drink water, which is probably good, because I'm taking so much ibuprofen and it's got to be filtered through your kidneys, and my kidneys probably really need the water.
Anne: Okay, so I think we should talk about our — well, "beliefs" just came into my mind. That wasn't where I was going, but that's what came in. So let's do beliefs, our belief system.
Mel: Okay, let's go there. We're gonna talk about beliefs, belief systems — how they affect us, how they shape us, where do they come from, how do we let go?
Mel: I should make notes of these things we want to cover. All right, Annie, you can get us started talking about beliefs. They've been on your mind a lot.
Anne: Yeah. When I first started the Awakening, I just kind of thought you can recognize a belief and it magically disappears. In some cases, when it's not that tight of a belief, it's easy — it can just kind of float away once you acknowledge it. But I've recently — I didn't want to show my vulnerability, so I kind of put a wall over my heart so I wouldn't be hurt, which makes me want to cry. And where did that come from? I was a very sensitive kid, I cried a lot. My daughter is very much like me, which I understand — it gets frustrating as the parent, because you just want them to stop crying, but I get it. When it's not acknowledged — and I think it's a big thing, from talking to my husband — our parents were kind of disengaged. I was a latchkey kid, my mom went into her own little world, my dad traveled.
Mel: So what was that like?
Anne: I don't know — just not getting the attention. I don't think talking to your kids about emotions was a thing, not like it is now. They never tried to understand why I was upset. So I started putting up a barrier, so I wouldn't feel the hurt of being ignored, my feelings being ignored. That's been something I've been working on. A lot of that was childhood.
Mel: How did that shape your beliefs? How does that factor in?
Anne: It made me not want to show vulnerability — acting like things didn't bother me, but internally they really did. I'd keep my feelings inside instead of sharing them. I've cried more in this fucking last year or two than I think I've cried in a long time — just releasing it, acknowledging it.
Anne: I was super pissed with my parents, went months without talking to them unless they called. And I've gotten to the point where I can see the different things that hurt me. Some of it isn't intentional — like when your grandma says something and you take it in and it becomes part of your belief system. You remember. Sometimes it's something super small, and the person didn't mean anything by it, just talking — but it gets taken in.
Mel: Yeah, I do remember.
Anne: But now I've gotten to a point where I'm starting to show more vulnerability with my husband. I used to show him my angry side, not my soft side. My soft side is starting to come out more. I can see both sides now — I did have a good childhood, if you looked at it, it was great. But even then, you still pick up shit — you pick up your parents' stuff and take it on as your own. Some of it you're supposed to work through. It's very complex, let's just say.
Mel: They did say it's complex. I was wondering — because you needed to shield your vulnerable side — what belief do you think was created from that? Was it "no one's going to bother listening to you," so you just don't say it? Part of the belief system that you're not important?
Anne: There was some of that. I felt like my brother was always put first — he was the golden child. I've told my parents, "I don't understand why you had another kid." They said, "We actually planned you." And I'm thinking — my higher self gets it, but my human self is like, I don't get it, you should've just stopped.
Mel: You would've been happy with just the one.
Anne: Yeah. I did find out something — I always thought my dad started traveling a lot once my brother went to college, since he's seven years older. But talking to my parents, he was traveling a lot back when my brother was still there too — it just wasn't as noticeable to me, maybe because of my age.
Mel: You didn't know this. And maybe because you always felt alone.
Anne: Yeah, yeah.
Mel: So whether he was there or not — maybe you always just felt alone. And now, as you learn to share your vulnerable side, how's that going? What do you notice from other people when you do that?
Anne: Mostly it's with my husband. There's a lot of crying, but luckily he's good at letting me do it. I'm hoping at some point I don't cry every time. There was something I wanted to say to him and I haven't, partly because I don't want to upset him — but then there's another part that says, it's not my job to worry about whether it upsets him. That's on him, and it's showing him something he needs to look at if it really upsets him.
Mel: I would ask Jimmy and Tony, or any partner who's had their spouse go through a spiritual awakening, how annoying it is. Like — sorry, but I'm probably meant to hurt your feelings right now. I have faith in you, your higher self has got you right where they want you. I bet it's annoying for the partner, because Jimmy will say, "Why do we have to overanalyze everything? Do we have to look at the harder side of it?" No — it's not always the harder side. When you're talking about it, I had a belief system I didn't even know I had.
Mel: Annie mentioned we did a reading one time and my grandma came through. I've been fun my whole life — I love being a little bit of a dick, I'm a pretty fun gal. But I've always been ridiculed for my funness, and I've always thought I should be more serious. It stemmed from an offhanded comment my grandma made when I was watching Dirty Dancing — the eighties movie with Patrick Swayze. We were standing in the kitchen, that was on, and my grandma said something to me. I didn't realize I'd been holding a "you shouldn't be fun" belief in me my whole life since I was maybe eleven or twelve. I'm fifty-three now, and I held that without any idea it stemmed from that one statement. I would've said, "No, I think I should be fun." Sometimes beliefs, you don't even know you have — I didn't know I had that one.
Mel: I held that until now, and I never would have connected it. It's a real motherfucker, honestly. As a matter of fact, people who know me don't know how much I struggle with it internally. Even though I know joy is part of my journey — being joyful, feeling joyful, sharing joy — I still think if that's who I am, no one would want to listen to me. It isn't that I'm putting myself down, it feels more like I don't fully understand yet how I can be myself, take things really seriously, and also have a good time sharing it, laughing about it, doing the jig in the room. Yesterday I was driving the girls to sewing camp, blasting a fun song, looking like a total douche in the car, and loving it. And also thinking, no one would take me seriously — that's how it feels. I didn't know that came from that offhanded comment my grandma made, which she never meant to be mean.
Anne: Well, I think you're showing me where I'm supposed to be going, because I've always been serious. It's not who I am deep down, but I took it on — you're supposed to do things a certain way, act a certain way. My dad especially is fun but very serious underneath. Tony's a lot of fun — I think he's hiding a lot under that fun, but that's not for me to say. Yesterday I wasn't feeling good, and the message I got was to open up to the joy within me, get out of my head and into my heart.
Mel: And I think to myself, why do I care? I do nothing — I mean, I do readings, but I thought I needed to really "be somebody."
Anne: Well, they said in a reading that you're not "it" — like, you don't go to Mel to ask her the serious questions. You go to Jimmy for that.
Mel: Yeah, I am not "it." That's true. They're really clear when they give me images — a lot come in cartoons. And I don't judge myself about it anymore, but I'm curious how I can fully bridge that belief — that I can't be fun and be taken seriously. Then I think, who cares if people take me seriously? No one needs to. So why does it bother me? Partly because I'm coming into my purpose, my soul purpose — I don't fully embody it yet, but I'm coming into it. I can see it sometimes. And I wonder, can I say what Spirit shows me in a way that's fun and funny, but also kind of a dickhead about it? How do those merge? It doesn't make sense to me — I don't see how they fit.
Anne: Well, I think you've taken on "I shouldn't be who I am" because you've had people tell you you're "too much."
Mel: Yeah, I am too much. Lord, give me grace. My whole life — "Mel, you need to tone that down, you're too much." I see that. And yesterday, listening to that fun song, I could embrace who I am, even with the girls in the backseat looking at me like I'm an idiot — my granddaughter Annabelle literally turning her head like, "I am not looking at that lady." And that's even fun, right? I have moments where I feel that. But to embody it in all of my life has really been a challenge. And what Spirit showed me was that belief started in that moment — the offhanded comment my grandma didn't mean for me to take on like that. She just didn't like the movie Dirty Dancing.
Anne: Well, that makes sense, because you were Pentecostal, right? So it makes sense she wouldn't have liked it.
Mel: Yeah, she really thought it was inappropriate — people humping around on screen. We were raised that way. She really didn't think I should be watching that as a human. She doesn't come to me all the time, but she comes periodically, when it feels like I need a little something from the spirit world. Remember the first time she came in, Annie? We were doing readings at your house, my family visited for a week, and all of a sudden grandma came in. I said, "What are you doing here? You never come visit — Grandpa Butch visits, my dad comes, but you never have." She said she came because I was ready to receive her.
Mel: I asked her, "What do you do up there?" She called herself something — a scientist, or an informational guide, I can't remember exactly. We'll have to see if she comes back and gives me the exact words. But she comes to clean up some things for me, about me — and that part is lovely. But even when we see the beliefs we have, it doesn't mean they don't serve us anymore, and it doesn't mean it's easy to just let them go.
Mel: Wouldn't it be great if I saw a belief and let it go and that was it? For some people it feels easy. For me, it feels like I really have to be intentional about integrating it, reminding myself: you came here with this. Spirit reminds me often — remember the amount of joy you came here with? Remember who you were as a kid? I've been in jail, just so y'all know — and I was so fun in jail. I can bring a good time anywhere. I ran a pizza-stealing ring, which is funny considering I ended up owning a pizza shop. Anyway — I can bring a good time, just not when I think it's "important," or when I think it's serious.
Anne: Well, there are some situations where maybe that doesn't feel appropriate.
Mel: Right, for sure. But trying to bridge that consciously is challenging. My point is — even when you find a belief that no longer serves you, moving into your purpose doesn't mean you automatically stop and behave in a new way. It takes real consciousness and time.
Anne: It takes noticing. What's helped me is — I have thoughts in my head, and they like to go off, but it doesn't get out unless I sit down and actually have a whole conversation with myself about it. I might sound crazy, but I sit and talk through it, and each layer gets me a little further — to a point where I go, "Fuck. Okay, that makes sense." It's like a swing — one side, then you come down, then something else comes through and I get goosebumps everywhere. It's still there, but not as tightly wound as it was. It takes time. I'm still working through it.
Mel: Lord, give me grace. Can't we just imagine it being — and I'm willing, I have to remind myself, I'm willing to take the time. I'm willing to enjoy the road. I'm willing to enjoy a smooth road.
Anne: You used to want the rapids, you fucking knucklehead.
Mel: No, I know. I'm willing to enjoy a lazy river now. I no longer need a raging river. The therapist would say, "Could you imagine a lazy river instead of a raging river?" And I'd say, "No fucking way." Now I'm like, Lord, give me grace, I'm really great with an old-lady lazy river — with an inner tube, head back. I don't even want kids in my lazy river. I don't want disruptions, if possible.
Mel: I say this thing before I light my candle for meditation: "I accept what is mine, and I let all else wash away." It used to be that when I had that thought, I was thinking about things I'm resisting — difficult experiences. And one day, having that same thought, I suddenly saw treasures and joy, and I thought, "Yeah, I accept that too." I accept all things that are mine. We'll talk about blueprints in another episode, but —
Anne: Sometimes you're given difficult situations so you can look at them, and sometimes it brings up something deeper to look at. Not always, but sometimes.
Mel: Not always, but sometimes. Sometimes we can avoid them — sometimes they're unnecessary, we're just calling them in, manifesting them in. And sometimes they're there to move us forward. The strongest desire of my human self is to fully feel, in this lifetime, the purpose I came here to be and to experience. I want to feel it all the way. I have no greater desire in my heart than that, and I'm willing to watch as it comes in — willing to accept all the treasure, willing to accept the yuck I don't really like, like my face and my tooth right now. It just is what it is. I'm willing to accept it all, no judgment on any of it — even when I catch myself wishing I could bring more joy into a moment.
Anne: Or getting caught up in the moment and analyzing it differently later. I had an experience — I don't think it was a belief, just an experience. I was at the DMV with my daughter. The woman helping us said, "Go do this one thing, then come back — you don't have to take another ticket, just come to my window." That kind of bothered me a little. There were two other women sitting nearby, but I didn't think they were waiting for the same person — one had a ticket, so I assumed she was waiting to be called. Anyway, the person the DMV worker was helping left, and I went and got in line, because I didn't want the woman to call another number — I just wanted to get in and out. Then I heard the two women behind me talking, clearly annoyed that I'd gotten in front of them. It brought up some — I felt bad, because that wasn't my intention. They could've said, "Hey, we're in front of you," and I would've said, "Shit, sorry, go ahead." But I didn't turn around, didn't say anything. I felt a little shame, being called out like that. I don't know if I was supposed to handle it differently. When I was done, I just left — said nothing. I thought, well, it's done, let's move on.
Mel: I do think part of moving forward on whatever path we're on is that we take every experience personally — like there's always something "in there." I don't know the answer to that. It keeps coming to me — there are no accidents. So that experience was there for a reason. Maybe there was something in it for them, maybe not — but you keep thinking about it, so maybe there's something in it for you.
Anne: Well, I think I went in with an assumption — I had an inkling I should ask if they were in line, but I saw the one woman's ticket and assumed she was waiting to be called, since I'd gotten rid of mine. I went with an assumption, and I shouldn't have. I think that's my lesson — ask, don't assume. My brain loves to assume things, and it's usually never right. I think it's because I'm good at spotting patterns, so I trust the assumption more than I should. When I got home I talked it through — I went with an assumption, and they also could have said something and didn't. So maybe there were two lessons there — maybe they need to learn to speak up for themselves instead of sitting back and being upset about it.
Mel: For sure. Sorry, this is Ernie —
Anne: This is life, this is the shit that goes through my mind — I have to talk through it, it's never simple. Every experience is maybe something, for someone, if not necessarily for me.
Mel: For someone. Not always — sometimes we're just the catalyst for someone else's experience. I have another belief that came to mind while you were talking. I heard my mom say, when I was a kid, "Don't get too big for your britches." I'm often told — no, that's not the right way to put it. The real thing is: I can see, hear, and feel things from Spirit when I'm doing readings, or sometimes in the car, calling in the energy of an experience for clarity. There's so much vitriol in the world — someone wants to convince you climate change is real, someone wants to convince you the earth is flat, someone I know tried to convince me they put aborted baby parts in Oreo cookies, that all of Nabisco does it. People feel so strongly, they'll try to convince you of anything. I'm not easily convinced, though I'd call myself naive sometimes.
Mel: As a kid, my mom would say, "Don't get too big for your britches" — meaning, don't think you're something you're not. Through our spiritual awakening, through being able to see, hear, and feel things from Spirit, I'll sometimes say, "I'm not sure if I know this is true, but I know it was true for me." Like a cold reading I gave — someone sent something in, I don't know them, but their energy comes in when I get into that connecting state. My assumption is Spirit knows who's going to get the reading. I don't know, I always wait to see how Spirit wants to connect, but in the back of my mind is always: don't get too big for your britches, don't pretend you know everything. Well, I don't know everything for everyone — even more so now, because I don't know the purpose someone came here with. I'm not going to assume. I think I err on the side of "I almost know nothing." I'm so afraid to be confident.
Mel: I have a belief I'd like Spirit to work through with me — that when I'm reading energy, I do know. At least I know what I'm shown, what I hear, what I feel. It doesn't mean I always say it correctly — sometimes my words get jumbled, or I put too much emphasis on the wrong word. But I do know what I saw, heard, and felt. Those are true. Even doing this podcast, part of my hesitation is always, "Don't think you know it all, you're not so awesome."
Mel: I've had this experience — I've been asking Spirit to work with me on it. I was looking to meet other people who can also read energy, so I started placing calls, found numbers on people's websites — and hey, if you put your number on your website, don't get mad if you get a call. So I called this woman, she answered, asked a bit about me, told me a bit about herself, then asked why I was calling. I told her I'd discovered I have this ability to read energy, and I was looking to learn how other people do it — because again, I have this belief that I'm going to get "too big for my britches" and pretend I know something for everyone that maybe isn't true. And who am I — some nobody from the U.P. of Michigan?
Anne: Well, what works for you probably isn't how they do it. Everyone does it their own way.
Mel: Right. So this woman starts ranting at me — people getting ahold of her, "you're just using me," on and on. She went off the rails. This was someone who, from all appearances, was spiritually inclined, had the ability to read energy — some of the specific things that drew me to her website — and now she's screaming at me on the phone when I called looking for guidance, or community, or reassurance. I don't know. Finally she finishes, and I did the thing I do — I said, "I don't know why you're assuming all these things about me. I'm calling looking for connection, for community, for something. Maybe I'm here to tell you — actually, I do think, trust me." In that moment, I got, as my mother would say, "too big for my britches." I think I did get too big for my britches on that call, informing her of all the ways I feel what I get is true. But I know I still carry that belief. I do think, in terms of manifesting and growth, that's a limitation on me — professionally and spiritually. I know that sometimes when I talk to people about this stuff, I err on the side of assuming I'm wrong.
Anne: And I always think you err on the side of assuming you're always right.
Mel: When I'm with you, I feel like I can say what feels true to me. With others — you and I have been friends a long time, so I don't need you to approve of me. I know you love me even when you don't approve, so I don't have to perform. But with others, I feel that pressure. I was at a gathering this past weekend with spiritually inclined people, and yesterday someone told me that the day after we all got together, there was apparently a whole conversation about me. One woman apparently said she thinks I have some real self-esteem issues, because I say things like, "I don't know if that's true, how do I know for sure if that's real?" And — I don't always know. I only know what's real is what I see, feel, and hear as real to me. I don't know if that's right for you.
Anne: But I think — the thing is, I was learning about that too, because my husband called me out on it. He said, "You always go through and work something out in your head, telling all this stuff, and then at the end you say, 'and I don't know.'" That's what I was reading too — because you don't know, everything is so vast, there's never one single answer. It's putting your ego aside to admit, "This is what makes sense to me as I'm talking through it, but I don't really know — that's just where I'm landing, that's what I'm assuming."
Mel: But I don't know if it's true for everyone. I only know what feels true for me. Someone listening to this might feel differently — what feels true for you? My brother is so convicted in his religion. I have two brothers, both very strong in their convictions, in very different religions. That's fine — that might be true for them. Spirit might keep giving them proof they're right, in the manifesting-culture way. Doesn't mean it's right for me.
Anne: Right. I think the thing is —
Mel: It's a real motherfucker, honestly. I used to have more certainty before the awakening than I have after. Before, I really thought there was one right way. Remember us having conversations about politics, all these things — we really thought there was one right way. Would you agree?
Anne: Yeah — well, we've always been taught that. You've got laws telling you how to act, what's okay and what isn't. You're taught all these things — like, your parents went to a certain church, so you're expected to go too, and take on those beliefs, because that's how you get to heaven, or whatever the thing is.
Mel: I don't know, but I do know I have less judgment now, and way more curiosity — my willingness to be right feels more diminished than my willingness to be wrong. Does that make sense?
Anne: Yeah. I still get caught up in a little judgment, I do — and then I have to bring it back, I guess that's what's supposed to happen. I have to bring it back, and not go judgy. My mind loves to go judgy, there's no doubt about it. I'm like, "I can't believe you'd fucking do that" — and you don't actually know what's right for that person.
Mel: I don't know. It's a real challenge to be in this community.
Anne: I was thinking last night — you said it was easier before the awakening. I think that too, because now I get hyper-fixated on something, and instead of just letting it happen, I'm overanalyzing it, and the information doesn't come through — it's like a wall goes up. Before, I just lived life, because it was one-and-done, I'd just go about it, and either something would change or it wouldn't — kind of just floating through, which I think a lot of people do. I was thinking last night it was easier to stay open than it is now, because now I'm always analyzing shit. I've done all the numerology, the astrology, all of it — I go into isolation, absorb it all, then need to come out. I analyze the shit out of some things. Right now I'm supposed to be moving out of that.
Mel: I thought it was easier, because back then I knew all the answers to everything. There was nothing I didn't know — ask me, I have the answers to everything, and you're wrong, and that's wrong, and that's right. And now I feel like I know —
Anne: Hardly anything. What the fuck were you thinking?
Mel: And I think what I need to remember is what's right for me, to move forward into the greatest version of my life's purpose, my soul's purpose in this lifetime. I want that so much. So if that's where I'm going, then whatever's right for me is right for me — for sure, it feels right for me. My assumption is I don't know about anyone else.
Mel: I've got kids in my neighborhood — I live somewhere nice, and no one rides a bike anymore, they're all on electric scooters, and there are little kids riding them so fast, and I'm thinking, they don't even know the rules of the road — and I can say that with confidence, because they literally aren't following them, cutting across busy roads. One day I was turning in, and a kid on one of these scooters was turning out, and a car was coming, and this kid looked like — I ain't gonna get hit, maybe not today, maybe never, I don't know. I wanted so badly to judge the parent — where the hell is the parent, what's happening. And then I think, I don't know, maybe he's here for a short lifetime, maybe he's meant to end up in a coma, maybe he's meant to have his skull cracked, I don't know. I find myself wanting to judge all the time — and then I ask, who are you to judge?
Mel: I'll be excited when we do a religious episode, because I was raised Pentecostal — very strongly enforced religious reasoning and theology.
Anne: But you should have been taught not to judge.
Mel: There was a whole thing in the Bible about "judge not," and everyone was judging everyone. I remember as a kid — my mom and my biological dad are divorced — and the pastor stood up at the pulpit yelling at my mom, sitting in the pew. People would come up to her, judging her — I don't know that they were the judgiest people I've ever met, but I remember, even as a little kid, knowing we shouldn't be judging. Now I think, I know why we shouldn't be judging — because I don't know why the hell you're here. Literally. That doesn't mean there aren't human consequences, though — that's not true either. There are consequences for every action, that's a law of the universe — action and reaction. There are consequences in this lifetime, and wherever else, whatever that even is. So it doesn't mean you avoid consequences. But growing up, as a family, we were so judged.
Mel: Now, I wanted to judge someone in my family one time, and I asked Spirit for clarity — I try not to read energy that isn't offered to me, I don't want to invade anyone's private energy space, but I'll ask Spirit for understanding in my own heart. I asked why I was having a certain experience with someone, and Spirit gave me: "She's meant to be as shallow as sand" — not deep sand, sand on a driveway. She's not meant to go deep with you, my friend. Stop holding her to the standard that everyone needs to go deep and dig into their stuff and therapy it out. That's not for everyone — it's not for her, and I shouldn't expect it. I wanted a deep, connecting relationship with this person, and the answer was no — keep it light, cotton-candy deep, that's the depth this person is meant to go to.
Anne: Have you ever felt taken over — like, Tony and I were going through our stuff, and it felt like it wasn't me saying the things to him, like I was saying stuff I wouldn't have said before. Have you had that?
Mel: Yeah. You look back and go, whoa, I didn't say that, but it sure came out of my mouth.
Anne: I told him — I don't think I would have said it like that. I know that sounds like I'm avoiding accountability, but I don't think I would've phrased it that way. I think sometimes we're supposed to help other people hear things.
Mel: If you're open enough, Spirit will come through. Sometimes I'll think, "That wasn't me, but something needed to get said." Maybe I would've said it, but not like that — for me, I always know it's Spirit when it's softer. Mel wouldn't have said it that way — that was way too soft for me.
Mel: Beliefs are tricky, because sometimes we don't know we have them. So do you think we answered the questions we set out to hit at the beginning?
Anne: I know that, because stuff keeps popping in that I want to say — part of the vulnerability is keeping it in and not saying it. There's a lot I'd like to say to Tony, especially about his health stuff. I've got to start saying it.
Mel: We could talk about that on another episode, but — I say this often: if what I'm feeling needs to be said, make sure that door is so open I'd have to consciously walk around it to avoid it. If there's something you feel you need to say, make sure that door is open — and when it is, walk through it, even when it's hard. I do think they'll give you the opportunity to walk through the door — like you, with the construction people who came over. Give me the opportunity to grow in this way, if it's for my highest good and the highest good of all — get that door so open I'd have to walk a mile out of my way to avoid it.
Anne: Mine isn't even about telling him what I think he should do — because again, I don't actually know what he's supposed to do — it's more about showing my vulnerability and how it's affecting me. And then I feel like such a selfish bitch, like, "You're not the one going through it" — that's my mind talking — and then turning it back to how I feel makes me selfish.
Mel: I don't think that's true. Who's to say you're selfish for wanting your person to understand how you're feeling through it? That doesn't sound like selfishness — that sounds like a relationship.
Anne: Yeah, that's true. And then I'm probably going to cry again.
Mel: Right — and that's still working through your stuff. It's fine, because any belief we have, even once we know it's there, doesn't just walk away right away. It just makes us aware enough.
Anne: No, because when a piece of it starts to unravel, you're like, "That feels so good" — and then, "Bitch, you ain't done yet."
Mel: You ain't done yet. There's so much we ain't done with yet. I hope I can have more joy on the ride — and I mostly do.
Mel: Well, I think this was good for some beliefs. What do you think, Annie?
Anne: I think we did good. I think it was fun.
Mel: I think it was fun too. I love Junior Mints — I might go to the dollar store and get some. My mouth is so bad I have to eat soft things so I don't bite down hard on this side. Anyway, now we're on a tangent about my face. Lord, give me grace, I love Junior Mints. All right — this is Mel.
Anne: And this is Anne.
Mel: And we'll be back another day with some more shit to talk about. Have a great day.
Anne: Bye.